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	<title>Comments on: DD-WRT vs. Tomato: Winner is Tomato</title>
	<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Common Sense</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4187</link>
		<author>Common Sense</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4187</guid>
		<description>"Tomato is for noobs."

Well Jason, you are an idiot.
If you prefer DD-WRT becuase it has more options, then I guess it's worth giving up speed and reliability. How many of those options do you even use or understand? I would bet none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tomato is for noobs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well Jason, you are an idiot.<br />
If you prefer DD-WRT becuase it has more options, then I guess it&#8217;s worth giving up speed and reliability. How many of those options do you even use or understand? I would bet none.</p>
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		<title>By: lr85</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4176</link>
		<author>lr85</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4176</guid>
		<description>I recently switched internet service providers because my old ISP provider Rogers kept decreasing my bandwidth limit from unlimited to 60GB per month and now they wanted to change that to 2GB per month (over the coarse of three years).  I decided to switch over to Velcom who offers unlimited usage.  However they lease their lines from Bell here in Canada and thus I needed a way to bypass there throttling this is where Tomato/Mlppp was a god send. I picked up a Asus WL-520GU router after reading it could run Tomato/Mlppp and bridged my modem (TP-LINK 8616) to it; enabled single link mlppp and watched my torrent speeds go from 10kb/s to 300Kb/s.  I love this firmware :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently switched internet service providers because my old ISP provider Rogers kept decreasing my bandwidth limit from unlimited to 60GB per month and now they wanted to change that to 2GB per month (over the coarse of three years).  I decided to switch over to Velcom who offers unlimited usage.  However they lease their lines from Bell here in Canada and thus I needed a way to bypass there throttling this is where Tomato/Mlppp was a god send. I picked up a Asus WL-520GU router after reading it could run Tomato/Mlppp and bridged my modem (TP-LINK 8616) to it; enabled single link mlppp and watched my torrent speeds go from 10kb/s to 300Kb/s.  I love this firmware <img src='http://www.decimation.com/markw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: grndslm</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4175</link>
		<author>grndslm</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4175</guid>
		<description>Well... I only copied &#38; pasted that for FEATURES, because people were confused about them.

I know the differences between ALL features.  I wold not make a decision between the three+ choices unless I understood ALL the features.

Fortunately, I have been using Tomato and OpenWRT both for much longer than a year.  My review goes unchanged after using Tomato.  Other than the interface and QoS are even better than I ever imagined...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; I only copied &amp; pasted that for FEATURES, because people were confused about them.</p>
<p>I know the differences between ALL features.  I wold not make a decision between the three+ choices unless I understood ALL the features.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I have been using Tomato and OpenWRT both for much longer than a year.  My review goes unchanged after using Tomato.  Other than the interface and QoS are even better than I ever imagined&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FredF</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4173</link>
		<author>FredF</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4173</guid>
		<description>Pretty hilarious "grndslm"s repeated posts recommending Tomato, which start with "I have not tried Tomato, but it prolly *is* the best if it isn’t lacking a specific feature that you need" :) LOL best laugh I've had today.

Thanks for the comedy! Now get a life.

I've used DD-WRT for several years now on two concurrently-used routers (for separate access points in different parts of the house/office). Never had a problem with it. Yes it's annoying that you have to reboot after changing some options, but how many people do that regularly? I use the static IP and DNS features and everything just works. My one complaint is that when I upgrade firmware it loses configuration, and you can't apply your config backups to new revs of fw. Very painful. Yes there are some incredibly complex recipes people have posted that if I spent days studying could probably resolve this but not worth it. It should be built in. But is Tomato any better (don't answer if you've never tried it, PLEASE :) ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty hilarious &#8220;grndslm&#8221;s repeated posts recommending Tomato, which start with &#8220;I have not tried Tomato, but it prolly *is* the best if it isn’t lacking a specific feature that you need&#8221; <img src='http://www.decimation.com/markw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> LOL best laugh I&#8217;ve had today.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comedy! Now get a life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used DD-WRT for several years now on two concurrently-used routers (for separate access points in different parts of the house/office). Never had a problem with it. Yes it&#8217;s annoying that you have to reboot after changing some options, but how many people do that regularly? I use the static IP and DNS features and everything just works. My one complaint is that when I upgrade firmware it loses configuration, and you can&#8217;t apply your config backups to new revs of fw. Very painful. Yes there are some incredibly complex recipes people have posted that if I spent days studying could probably resolve this but not worth it. It should be built in. But is Tomato any better (don&#8217;t answer if you&#8217;ve never tried it, PLEASE <img src='http://www.decimation.com/markw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
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		<title>By: T-user</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4171</link>
		<author>T-user</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4171</guid>
		<description>MLPPP is what got me excited!  2 dsl lines and traffic shaping fix.

sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLPPP is what got me excited!  2 dsl lines and traffic shaping fix.</p>
<p>sold.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Petruzzelli</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4170</link>
		<author>Kelly Petruzzelli</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4170</guid>
		<description>Between what you are offering me and what i can choose if i could i would certanly go with one offer from linuxhostinghub.com And their shared or virtual private servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between what you are offering me and what i can choose if i could i would certanly go with one offer from linuxhostinghub.com And their shared or virtual private servers.</p>
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		<title>By: Unbiased</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4168</link>
		<author>Unbiased</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4168</guid>
		<description>Oooh....everybody loves Tomato so much....... :mrgreen: .....You think we are idiot to not understand a advertising website..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh&#8230;.everybody loves Tomato so much&#8230;&#8230;. <img src='http://www.decimation.com/markw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;..You think we are idiot to not understand a advertising website..</p>
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		<title>By: grndslm</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4167</link>
		<author>grndslm</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4167</guid>
		<description>This is for all the n00bs, who didn't catch it the first time...
..........................

It’s pretty amazing the comments have gone on this long. I figured since this article is still getting traffic, I’ll post my opinion on these firmwares, too, essentially as a flowchart for which one would suit you best.

Tomato first… I have not tried Tomato, but it prolly *is* the best if it isn’t lacking a specific feature that you need. From what I understand, the only serious features lacking are: vWLAN/VLAN, VPN, the security of a 2.6 kernel (but having 2.4 is where the speed in Tomato comes from), and right now USB support for the ASUS WL-500g Premium which I have. Other than that, it’s the fastest, simplest, prettiest, and most practical for QoS configuration.

OpenWRT second… Since I have a WL-500g Premium, I want USB support, so I am using OpenWRT. I was lucky enough to come across somebody who had already configured a firmware from SVN with the new LuCi interface for this exact router (adding USB support, opening up mem, etc.) in the #openwrt channel on FreeNode. There’s prolly a firmware posted on the OpenWRT forum, also… and that’s definitely where OpenWRT shines the most — large community and large no. of packages available. This firmware will be around longer than the shady DD-WRT for sure… so get your Linux haxing skills together already. This is the firmware most similar to Debian/Ubuntu.

DD-WRT third… I would only use this firmware if you were one of the unlucky saps who got the WRT54G versions with limited memory. DD-WRT micro is the only firmware to fit in the 2MB of memory given by these limited devices (what were they v4 &#38; v5?). Also, if you just absolutely need something like virtual LANs, VPN, etc. and you don’t know your way around the Linux command line to well… this is the firmware for you. However, today will always be the best day to start learning Linux commands and filesystem organization if you haven’t already!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for all the n00bs, who didn&#8217;t catch it the first time&#8230;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>It’s pretty amazing the comments have gone on this long. I figured since this article is still getting traffic, I’ll post my opinion on these firmwares, too, essentially as a flowchart for which one would suit you best.</p>
<p>Tomato first… I have not tried Tomato, but it prolly *is* the best if it isn’t lacking a specific feature that you need. From what I understand, the only serious features lacking are: vWLAN/VLAN, VPN, the security of a 2.6 kernel (but having 2.4 is where the speed in Tomato comes from), and right now USB support for the ASUS WL-500g Premium which I have. Other than that, it’s the fastest, simplest, prettiest, and most practical for QoS configuration.</p>
<p>OpenWRT second… Since I have a WL-500g Premium, I want USB support, so I am using OpenWRT. I was lucky enough to come across somebody who had already configured a firmware from SVN with the new LuCi interface for this exact router (adding USB support, opening up mem, etc.) in the #openwrt channel on FreeNode. There’s prolly a firmware posted on the OpenWRT forum, also… and that’s definitely where OpenWRT shines the most — large community and large no. of packages available. This firmware will be around longer than the shady DD-WRT for sure… so get your Linux haxing skills together already. This is the firmware most similar to Debian/Ubuntu.</p>
<p>DD-WRT third… I would only use this firmware if you were one of the unlucky saps who got the WRT54G versions with limited memory. DD-WRT micro is the only firmware to fit in the 2MB of memory given by these limited devices (what were they v4 &amp; v5?). Also, if you just absolutely need something like virtual LANs, VPN, etc. and you don’t know your way around the Linux command line to well… this is the firmware for you. However, today will always be the best day to start learning Linux commands and filesystem organization if you haven’t already!!</p>
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		<title>By: voske</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4165</link>
		<author>voske</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4165</guid>
		<description>hi,
Does tomato support vlan's? If that's what i'm looking for, what do i use for my Linksys GL 1.1 router??
thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
Does tomato support vlan&#8217;s? If that&#8217;s what i&#8217;m looking for, what do i use for my Linksys GL 1.1 router??<br />
thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4133</link>
		<author>Stephan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02/dd-wrt-vs-tomato-winner-is-tomato/#comment-4133</guid>
		<description>I'm using DD-WRT as a WLAN Bridge between two buildings for 2 years now. The configuration wasn't easy but it paid out well, i can't remember when i did the last reboot, must be more than half a year now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using DD-WRT as a WLAN Bridge between two buildings for 2 years now. The configuration wasn&#8217;t easy but it paid out well, i can&#8217;t remember when i did the last reboot, must be more than half a year now.</p>
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